Tax Audits and Accounting in Regards to a Hong Kong Limited Company with Fion Sen

Michael MicheliniCorporate, Podcast, Taxes10 Comments

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Thank you everyone – hitting a small milestone episode #50 , thanks for following along and listening again. Working hard on the book – calling it Hong Kong Supercharged – and its over 150 pages now…. deep into company setup and operation here so I hope people like it once I release in …a month or so? Still too early to promise a release date…

Dimitri Prado from onsign.tv sent me an email with some questions about HK company upkeep and also had the following to say:

I’ve been catching up with the podcast, since I haven’t had too much free time lately 🙂 I wonder how you do it with a small baby 🙂

I recently listened to GFA33, I loved the episode, a lot of new information that couldn´t be found anywhere else. As a matter of fact, most of the topics you pick are truly unique and normally pack a lot of info, great job!

Now up for today’s show – this a 2nd part of a 2 part series, we had Fion on a couple weeks ago talking about Hong Kong company and offshore differences – today we dig into some details about bookkeeping and audits in Hong Kong – I know. I am cringing too… no one likes this stuff, at least not me, and listeners have been asking, even I took a question from David Hehenberger at http://davidhehenberger.com/ that he asked me and added it to the question list – so I am glad we got Fion to share with us – also remember her company Bridges is offering a 1,000HKD discount on her normal service fee to open a company with her agency by going to globalfromasia.com/bridges so check that out (note, I will receive a commission so thanks in advance for those who do it)

After the interview I will do some clarifications on terminology that even I got mixed up – Now let’s listen in and learn together…

Topics Covered in this Episode

  • Introduce Fion & Bridges
  • Can you introduce what is an audit in regards to a Hong Kong limited company
  • How much bureaucracy is involved in running a HK corp? I guess accounting + audits are the bulk of it?
  • A friend’s HK corp got audited and the company doing the audit told him that he’ll have to print out all of his receipts (40,000 pieces of paper!). Is that normal? Sounds like a pretty bad level of bureaucracy.
  • When is the first time you need to file it
  • What do you need to have prepared?
  • So you need to keep the paper receipt of everything? Is electronic (pdf / xls) OK
  • How about credit card statements, is that enough
  • ATM withdrawals or Petty cash – for miscellaneous expenses
  • How to keep track of what is a Hong Kong business transaction from a offshore business transaction
  • Currency, how to handle it. All must be in HKD?
  • Is there an audit again if HK government feels something isn’t right?
  • What are some scary stories… Of audits.
  • Should small businesses be worried
  • Or what levels of transactions is where government may check more closely?
  • Some tips for new hk business owners
  • How much do you charge for this service?
  • How do companies need to engage just send you all their paperwork? By mail, or in person?

People / Companies / Resources Mentioned in this Episode

  • IRD (inland revenue department)
  • CPA – certified public accountant
  • Audit – in Hong Kong, have a certified accountant (CPA) verify the financials before it is filed with the government.
  • Director drawing – taking from atm. taking money out of the company.
  • Dealing with offshore transactions outside of Hong Kong, how to file it while also filing domestic company transactions – open a separate company for your offshore transactions, too complicated to keep them separate.
  • Profit tax return in Hong Kong
  • Audit financial report
  • Dormant company
  • IRD (Inland Revenue Department) queries letter

Episode Length 31:26

And there was seems to be miscommunications and understandings about audits and inquiries.

I’ll add a free PDF comparison of these terms in the show notes:

download the comparison of HK audits and US

In USA, for instance, we don’t need audited accounts unless our companies are pretty massive – so many people may not deal with them – what an audit means a CPA (certified public accountant) goes over the books and signs off on them as correctly done. So that is why in Hong Kong we need to pay an accountant – aka CPA to check over our filing and we need to pay them for this – and make sure all the paperwork to back it up is in place. An inquiry is when the Hong Kong tax department questions some of the filing, and then when this happens – you need to provide the documentation and proof to them. So seems like some listeners have heard of people who that has happened to – luckily for me, and most of my business friends – that hasn’t happened to them yet.

And again, check out Fion’s services for opening a company in Hong Kong and many more valuable services, globalfromasia.com/bridges and you’ll get a special 1,000 HKD discount

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Ok – hope everyone enjoyed that and wasn’t bored to death – I for one … get the shivers when I hear about bookkeeping and accounting – but I know this is a pain point for tons of listeners so I really hope this helped. I have a feeling I will get more questions and perspectives from more listeners after this one and from people reaching out – so I think we’ll have to do another show in a bit on this topic. It is just a bit overwhelming.

See you next week – we’ll have Jon Wintermeyer from Paymentwall merchant accounts in USA who discusses how Hong Kong companies can use their service as well as how the whole “international merchant account” industry seems to work – so catch you then!

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davidhme
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Great episode! Thanks so much for recording this, found it very useful.

Michael Michelini
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My pleasure David – did this one for you! well, also a few other listeners too – but was thinking of ya when I recorded

Malakia
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Malakia

hey Michael! Thank you for your work, it’s definitely useful for anybody interested in this topic. But I have to admit that after a long research of informations about opening a company in Hong Kong I think that.. IT’S REALLY expensive! A lot of startuppers are considering and choosing Hong Kong to do their first steps but I think that if you are on a tight budget as I am there MUST BE some alternatives that are much better. Every consultant tells you that opening a company in HK cost around 10.000 HKD, they forget to tell you that the… Read more »

Michael Michelini
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Hi Malakia , Thanks for listening and your thorough response. Yes I do understand the frustration with all these unknowns….that is one purpose of doing this very podcast – so I can understand more clearly myself as well as share with others at the same time. I talked to Bridges about your question, so this is on their post here, and Agnes there gave me this amazing reply Here are a few related points to note for your kind reference: – According to Malakia’s case, if his e-commerce business is not involving operations in Hong Kong, then yes, he has… Read more »

John Peden
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John Peden

Thanks Mike. This was exactly what I was looking for.

Michael Michelini
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Cool, I will have to spin this into a blog post too, it is an especially long comment reply and a common question

Hope to release it next week

Michael Michelini
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A shorter answer, on my own – is “it depends on how many transactions” – but if you do less than 10 transactions a month, it shouldn’t be more than 10,000HKD a year to upkeep a company.

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